Ermakov (2023: 166) argues that “the species composition of relevés in table 1 in Guinochet (1982) is so incomplete that it is impossible to use them in syntaxonomic analysis”, and “the floristic composition of this community of coniferous forests was characterized so incompletely that it made it impossible to correctly interpret it syntaxonomically at the level of association, alliance, order, and even class”. However, no such syntaxonomic analysis was presented. The type relevé of the Rhododendro-Pinetum sibiricae contains 12 species of vascular plants, ten of them considered by Ermakov (2012, 2019) as character species of the class Vaccinio-Piceetea or its subordinate syntaxa. Indeed, Ermakov (2019, 2023) considered Larix sibirica Ledeb., Pinus sibirica Du Tour and Calamagrostis obtusata Trin. as diagnostic species of the alliance Pino sibiricae-Laricion sibiricae Ermakov in Ermakov et Alsynbaev 2004 (subordinated to the order Ledo palustris-Laricetalia cajanderi Ermakov 2023), and Bergenia crassifolia (L.) Fritsch and Rhododendron dauricum L. as diagnostic species of the association Bergenio-Pinetum sibiricae Zhitlukhina et Alimbekova 1987 nom. ined. (Art. 1) (Zhitlukhina and Alimbekova 1987). Consequently, there is little doubt about the syntaxonomic position of the type relevé at the class, order and even alliance level, although certainly its floristic composition is not identical to that of other associations included in the alliance Pino sibiricae-Laricion sibiricae (Anenkhonov and Chytrý 1998; Makunina 2020; Ermakov and Polyakova 2022; Ermakov 2023). Applying Art. 37 to the type relevé is not advisable without a corresponding comparative analysis.
Another question raised by Ermakov (2019, 2023) concerns the floristic poverty of the type relevé. As a matter of fact, reduced numbers of vascular plant species are not infrequent in such forest communities, being sometimes even lower than 10–15 species per 400 m2 (Smagin 1980). Similar patterns of floristic poverty can be found in the unpublished manuscript by Zhitlukhina and Alimbekova (1987), where many or even most of the relevés of several associations (Bergenio-Pinetum sibiricae, Rhododendro daurici-Pinetum sibiricae, Rhododendro aurei-Pinetum sibiricae, Vaccinio myrtilli-Pinetum sibiricae) contain fewer than 13 vascular plant species.
Forest communities like those described by Guinochet (1982) are rather typical in Southern Siberia and known as “Siberian cedar-pine green moss forests” (Peshkova 1985). Physiognomically, these communities are related to boreal mesophytic dark-coniferous and mixed light-dark coniferous forests, possessing a moss layer of quite common and widely distributed species (e.g., Pleurozium schreberi, Hylocomium splendens, Ptilium crista-castrensis, Dicranum polysetum, Abietinella abietina). The environmental filters for common moss species in such communities are the mesic forest conditions, and mosses are rather indifferent to the species composition of the tree layer. Less common moss species are typically confined to microsites within the forest. In general, the moss layer is physiognomically important, but its floristic composition has a reduced applicability for classifying mesic forest communities. For this reason, neither moss species, nor their combinations can be used for the diagnosis of lower syntaxa of mesic boreal forests (and also hemiboreal forests). In fact, with a few exceptions, moss species have not been used in diagnostic combinations for distinguishing associations and subassociations of boreal mesic forests in Southern Siberia (Ermakov 2019). Therefore, the lack of information on moss species in the type relevé published by Guinochet (1982) should not be considered as a good reason for the rejection of the association as well as of the alliance Pino sibiricae-Laricion sibiricae Guinochet ex Dostálek et al. 1988.